Issue 39486 - Implement a shortcut to jump to the saved cursor position
Summary: Implement a shortcut to jump to the saved cursor position
Status: CLOSED DUPLICATE of issue 33307
Alias: None
Product: Writer
Classification: Application
Component: save-export (show other issues)
Version: 680m65
Hardware: All All
: P3 Trivial with 4 votes (vote)
Target Milestone: ---
Assignee: Oliver Specht
QA Contact: issues@sw
URL: http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/o...
Keywords: oooqa, regression
: 18512 46354 (view as issue list)
Depends on:
Blocks:
 
Reported: 2004-12-22 23:32 UTC by peschtra
Modified: 2013-08-07 14:38 UTC (History)
6 users (show)

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Issue Type: DEFECT
Latest Confirmation in: ---
Developer Difficulty: ---


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Description peschtra 2004-12-22 23:32:47 UTC
I marked this as a defect because it worked in 1.1.4RC, but perhaps a better
label may be enhancement or feature.

When I save a document in 1.9.65 I would like if it saved the cursor position. I
tried saving in both .sxw and .odt and re-opening it in 1.9.65. I tried both of
these, because in 1.1.4 if I save as .doc and re-open the cursor position is not
saved, but if I save in .sxw and reopen it is saved.

No format, .sxw, .doc, or .odt, saves the cursor position in 1.9.65.

Thanks,
Peter
Comment 1 michael.ruess 2004-12-23 10:01:12 UTC
MRU->ES: I think, there already exists an issue regarding cursor position after
opening a file, right?
Comment 2 peschtra 2004-12-26 19:10:38 UTC
After doing some more research, I learned that the option, Tools > Options >
OpenOffice.org > Restore Views > Editing Views, is what should control this feature.

I do have it checked, so presumably it should work. I just wanted to premptively
answer that question. :)
Comment 3 peschtra 2004-12-26 19:29:31 UTC
@ MRU: It is the same as #18512, but it works in 1.1.x, so I am hesitant to mark
it as a duplicate of this or vice versa. 

Please do what is correct.
Comment 4 eric.savary 2005-01-03 03:11:47 UTC
ES-MMP:
We should add the Shift+F5 (or whatever) shortcut we have planed to OOo later
for OOo 2.0
(see http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/open_doc_behavior/OpenDocumentBehavior.sxw)

we already received complains about the new behaviour.
Comment 5 matthias.mueller-prove 2005-01-03 10:28:37 UTC
MMP>ES: You have to contact Dieter Loeschky to get permission to change the spec
and add the shortcut  for OOo2 (see DL-1 in spec). Otherwise this is an Office
Later Issue.
Comment 6 eric.savary 2005-01-03 14:19:58 UTC
ES->DL: please give a statement on this.
Comment 7 eric.savary 2005-01-05 08:57:03 UTC
ES->OS: please evaluate if we can implement for OOo 2.0 Shift+F5 to restore the
view and affect Shift+F4 to "Jump to first object" (currently mapped to Shift+F5).
Comment 8 Oliver Specht 2005-01-06 11:51:16 UTC
In software almost everything is possible but looking at the release plan and
the open tasks for OOo 2.0 this is not possible (3 days est.). 

Comment 9 Oliver Specht 2005-01-06 12:22:47 UTC
*** Issue 18512 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 10 eric.savary 2005-01-06 13:00:29 UTC
Ok, so let's keep this for later.
As this feature is a future task in the spec (see URL field in this issue),
let's use this issue as reminder.
Comment 11 lohmaier 2005-01-06 14:41:09 UTC
Don't keep it. Revert the "feature" to the old behaviour. The user-scenario
itself is a "joke".

If Mary doesn't like the restored view, why doesn't she simply turn off "restore
editing view"?

Does Mary really add her writing to the top of the document? I doubt so. She
will add her text somewhere in the middle or at the bottom, but only in rare
cases at the top.

If you think the behaviour has to be changed, then add the option "restore
cursor position" and turn it off by default so that it can be turned on at least.

Why do you impose annoying actions on the user (pressing the non-yet-existing
shortcut?) 
There is already a shortcut to jump to the start of doc <ctrl>+<home> - why not
have Mary press use the shortcut?

You really should have listened to UFI :-(
Comment 12 lohmaier 2005-01-23 19:36:53 UTC
*** Issue 41136 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 13 peschtra 2005-01-23 19:53:51 UTC
You have got to be kidding me. I read through
http://specs.openoffice.org/appwide/open_doc_behavior/OpenDocumentBehavior.sxw
and I am appalled. I may as well use MS Office, because it seems like every
change being made for 2.0 just makes the program dumbed down because someone
might be confused.

OOo was cool because it was innovative. OOo allows users to choose, do I want a
doc to open at the start or where I edited last. That is why the option *Restore
Editing View* was there.

So now, you have removed a great feature, and not put in the effort to fully
implement it by adding the shortcut key also.

Did Bill Gates secretly buy out Sun or something?

As cloph put it, the use scenario is unrealistic and absurd. Furthermore, it is
already handled in 1.1.x because Mary can freaking turn off restore editing
view. And, frankly, if Mary is too stupid to do this and thinks Paul is lazy I
don't care!

The "motivation" for this issue is embarrasing and needs to be reevaluated.
Comment 14 richlv 2005-01-24 07:24:16 UTC
when testing 1.9 builds i noticed lack of cursor position remembering and 
concluded that it must be a bug - and a visible one, so probably somebody 
already has reported it a long time ago. i believe old behaviour was _much_ 
better than some obscure shortcut. i'd like to see it reverted - as probably 
most oo.org users do.
Comment 15 simonbr 2005-01-24 08:46:38 UTC
Hi, I have a suggestion.
Would it be possible (e.g. using the user settings) to determine if the document
is opened by the same user who last modified the document?
When Peter's document is opened by Mary it will open at the top, and when Peter
wants to continue editing the document will open at the last cursor position. 
Comment 16 richlv 2005-01-24 09:00:10 UTC
> ------- Additional comments from simonbr Mon Jan 24 00:46:38 -0800 2005 ------
-

> Hi, I have a suggestion.
> Would it be possible (e.g. using the user settings) to determine if the 
document
> is opened by the same user who last modified the document?
> When Peter's document is opened by Mary it will open at the top, and when 
Peter
> wants to continue editing the document will open at the last cursor position.

i believe this should be handled by the same option - so, um, peter will have 
cursor posiion remembering enabled, mary won't. in this case they both get the 
desired behaviour.
Comment 17 peschtra 2005-01-25 02:44:26 UTC
To Simonbr -- This is kind of what version 1.1.x of OOo has. There is an option
for the user to choose whether or nor the last editing view should be displayed
(while this option appears in 1.9.69, it cannot be used). So Mary would turn
this off, and Peter would leave it on.
Comment 18 richlv 2005-01-31 17:27:43 UTC
i believe issue 41136 should be reopened and discussion regarding a preference 
for remembering position in document should happen there - this issue is for a 
shortcut, that one is about a preference.
for clarity we should try to keep "one issue - one problem" :)
Comment 19 lars.nooden 2005-02-20 08:41:45 UTC
This is a useful function for those that use it.  However, it should be possible to configure it on or off by 
default for new documents and then override the default for individual documents.
Comment 20 peschtra 2005-02-20 17:05:13 UTC
@ larsnooden -> You may want to look at issue #43146.
Comment 21 eric.savary 2005-02-21 15:10:13 UTC
*** Issue 43146 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 22 peschtra 2005-02-21 17:17:54 UTC
I really feel this should be bumped up in priority. It has been a known issue
for 2 months and I think that if the beta comes out without this problem fixed
(the shortcut key) then it will look bad.
Comment 23 peschtra 2005-03-25 01:04:58 UTC
It has now been over a month since this has been looked it. Everyone is praising
OOo, but it will just look unprofessional when there is a option check box that
does nothing and there is a promise of a shortcut key that is unfunfilled.

Broken promises and poor decisions. Sometimes, the lack of this feature is
enough to make me stay at 1.1.4. That is what another user posted on the discuss
list today.

In closing, it wouldn't take 3 days to fix if you wouldn't have changed it in
the first place.
Comment 24 eric.savary 2005-03-31 08:01:00 UTC
*** Issue 46354 has been marked as a duplicate of this issue. ***
Comment 25 aschrage 2005-03-31 13:48:22 UTC
Please implement the feature again! It is the thing that annoys me the most in
the new OOo 2.0 version. I often work with large documents and it is really a
pain in the a.. to always search again for the place where you did your last
editing.
Comment 26 ftack 2005-06-09 10:05:41 UTC
I feel that some issues are mixed up here.

(1) The issue where Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org - View, Restore editing
view is not an enhancement. It is a bug. It used to work in previous versions,
it doesn't in the 1.9 versions.

(2) The issue where a shortcut should be implemented to return to a previous
cursor position is an enhancement. It is something not yet available in OOo. The
titel of this issue suggests that this would be the question, but clearly the
first poster refers to the Restore editing view instead (1).

Therefore, the title of this issue should be changed to reflect the issue it
deals with. The titles of the duplicates are much more appropriate and easy to
recognise, i.e. "Cursor position should be remembered on loading of document" or
"writer no longer opens a document at the saved position".

Moreover, it should be marked as a DEFECT, because it clearly and beyond
discussion is a defect of a feature in Writer that previously used to work. 

Issue 43146, marked as enhancement and with status "REOPENED" clearly is exactly
the same issue. It should be marked as a duplicate of this issue (the oldest first).
Comment 27 postmorbid 2005-06-09 10:44:18 UTC
I agree with ftack's comment. This is a defect (and an annoying one to me); the
request for a shortcut will probably be obsolet when this bug is fixed. Given
the number of complaints about this here and in other forums I visit this bug
should be fixed before OOo 2.0 comes out.
Comment 28 peschtra 2005-06-10 01:14:02 UTC
There are two issues for a reason. This issue is to have the shortcut key added,
and it should be a defect, you are correct, because the spec file in the URL box
says that there should be one.

The other issue, 43146, is asking for an enhancement to return to the behavior
that was present in 1.1.4.

Do you see the difference. I filed two issues so that maybe at least this one
would be done soon. For me, for a lot of what I do, 2.0 is unusable because of
this issue.
Comment 29 Joost Andrae 2005-11-10 10:15:26 UTC
JA-> MMP+ES: please clarify if this issue really is a regression. In case it is
a regression it should be fixed before 'later' and in the other case it can stay
where it is but the regression keyword should be deleted from the issue.
Comment 30 Oliver Specht 2005-11-10 10:20:55 UTC
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*** This issue has been marked as a duplicate of 33307 ***
Comment 31 Oliver Specht 2005-11-10 10:21:34 UTC
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